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2020 · 3 Sep · Shift 2 · Q25
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Sets and Relations question

2020 · 3 Sep · Shift 2 · Q25

JEE MainMathematicsSets and RelationsMCQ+4 / −1
Let R1 and R2 be two relation defined as follows : R1 = {(a, b) ∈\in∈ R2 : a2 + b2 ∈\in∈ Q} and R2 = {(a, b) ∈\in∈ R2 : a2 + b2 otinotinotin Q}, where Q is the set of all rational numbers. Then :
  1. A
    Neither R1 nor R2 is transitive.
  2. B
    R2 is transitive but R1 is not transitive.
  3. C
    R1 and R2 are both transitive.
  4. D
    R1 is transitive but R2 is not transitive.
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Correct answer: A

  1. Interpret the relations carefully

The question defines relations on the set of real numbers R\mathbb{R}R:

R1={(a,b)∈R2:a2+b2∈Q}R_1 = \{(a,b) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : a^2+b^2 \in \mathbb{Q}\}R1​={(a,b)∈R2:a2+b2∈Q}

and

R2={(a,b)∈R2:a2+b2∉Q}.R_2 = \{(a,b) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : a^2+b^2 \notin \mathbb{Q}\}.R2​={(a,b)∈R2:a2+b2∈/Q}.

We must check whether each relation is transitive.

A relation RRR on a set is transitive if

(a,b)∈R and (b,c)∈R  ⟹  (a,c)∈R.(a,b) \in R \text{ and } (b,c) \in R \implies (a,c) \in R.(a,b)∈R and (b,c)∈R⟹(a,c)∈R.


  1. Test transitivity of R1R_1R1​

We need to see whether

a2+b2∈Q,b2+c2∈Qa^2+b^2 \in \mathbb{Q}, \quad b^2+c^2 \in \mathbb{Q}a2+b2∈Q,b2+c2∈Q

necessarily implies

a2+c2∈Q.a^2+c^2 \in \mathbb{Q}.a2+c2∈Q.

A good way is to look for a counterexample.

Take

a=1,b=0,c=2.a=1, \quad b=0, \quad c=\sqrt{2}.a=1,b=0,c=2​.

Then:

  • For (a,b)=(1,0)(a,b)=(1,0)(a,b)=(1,0), a2+b2=12+02=1∈Q,a^2+b^2 = 1^2+0^2=1 \in \mathbb{Q},a2+b2=12+02=1∈Q, so (1,0)∈R1(1,0) \in R_1(1,0)∈R1​.

  • For (b,c)=(0,2)(b,c)=(0,\sqrt{2})(b,c)=(0,2​), b2+c2=02+(2)2=2∈Q,b^2+c^2 = 0^2+(\sqrt{2})^2=2 \in \mathbb{Q},b2+c2=02+(2​)2=2∈Q, so (0,2)∈R1(0,\sqrt{2}) \in R_1(0,2​)∈R1​.

  • But for (a,c)=(1,2)(a,c)=(1,\sqrt{2})(a,c)=(1,2​), a2+c2=1+2=3∈Q.a^2+c^2 = 1+2=3 \in \mathbb{Q}.a2+c2=1+2=3∈Q.

This still belongs to R1R_1R1​, so this is not a counterexample.

Let us try a more careful choice.

Take

a=π,b=1−π,a=\sqrt{\pi}, \quad b=\sqrt{1-\pi},a=π​,b=1−π​,

which is not real since 1−π<01-\pi<01−π<0, so not valid. We need real numbers whose squares combine rationally.

Instead choose:

a=α,b=q−α,a=\sqrt{\alpha},\quad b=\sqrt{q-\alpha},a=α​,b=q−α​,

with irrational α\alphaα and rational qqq such that both are nonnegative. Similarly for b,cb,cb,c.

Let us construct explicitly:

Take

b=0,a=2,c=3.b=0,\quad a=\sqrt{2},\quad c=\sqrt{3}.b=0,a=2​,c=3​.

Then:

a2+b2=2∈Q,b2+c2=3∈Q,a^2+b^2=2 \in \mathbb{Q}, \qquad b^2+c^2=3 \in \mathbb{Q},a2+b2=2∈Q,b2+c2=3∈Q,

so (a,b)∈R1(a,b)\in R_1(a,b)∈R1​ and (b,c)∈R1(b,c)\in R_1(b,c)∈R1​.

But

a2+c2=2+3=5∈Q.a^2+c^2=2+3=5 \in \mathbb{Q}.a2+c2=2+3=5∈Q.

Still not a counterexample.

So let us examine algebraically.

If

a2+b2∈Q,b2+c2∈Q,a^2+b^2 \in \mathbb{Q}, \qquad b^2+c^2 \in \mathbb{Q},a2+b2∈Q,b2+c2∈Q,

then subtracting,

a2−c2=(a2+b2)−(b2+c2)∈Q.a^2-c^2 = (a^2+b^2)-(b^2+c^2) \in \mathbb{Q}.a2−c2=(a2+b2)−(b2+c2)∈Q.

But this does not force a2+c2a^2+c^2a2+c2 to be rational.

Now choose irrational b2b^2b2 and rational numbers r,sr,sr,s such that

a2=r−b2,c2=s−b2a^2=r-b^2, \qquad c^2=s-b^2a2=r−b2,c2=s−b2

are nonnegative. Then

a2+c2=r+s−2b2,a^2+c^2 = r+s-2b^2,a2+c2=r+s−2b2,

which can be irrational.

Take

b2=22,r=1,s=1.b^2=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}, \quad r=1, \quad s=1.b2=22​​,r=1,s=1.

Then

a2=1−22>0,c2=1−22>0,a^2=1-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} >0, \qquad c^2=1-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}>0,a2=1−22​​>0,c2=1−22​​>0,

so real a,ca,ca,c exist.

Now:

a2+b2=(1−22)+22=1∈Q,a^2+b^2 = \left(1-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\right)+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}=1 \in \mathbb{Q},a2+b2=(1−22​​)+22​​=1∈Q,

b2+c2=22+(1−22)=1∈Q.b^2+c^2 = \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}+\left(1-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\right)=1 \in \mathbb{Q}.b2+c2=22​​+(1−22​​)=1∈Q.

Hence (a,b)∈R1(a,b)\in R_1(a,b)∈R1​ and (b,c)∈R1(b,c)\in R_1(b,c)∈R1​.

But

a2+c2=2(1−22)=2−2∉Q.a^2+c^2 = 2\left(1-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\right)=2-\sqrt{2} \notin \mathbb{Q}.a2+c2=2(1−22​​)=2−2​∈/Q.

So (a,c)∉R1(a,c)\notin R_1(a,c)∈/R1​.

Therefore, R1R_1R1​ is not transitive.


  1. Test transitivity of R2R_2R2​

Now check whether

a2+b2∉Q,b2+c2∉Qa^2+b^2 \notin \mathbb{Q}, \quad b^2+c^2 \notin \mathbb{Q}a2+b2∈/Q,b2+c2∈/Q

implies

a2+c2∉Q.a^2+c^2 \notin \mathbb{Q}.a2+c2∈/Q.

Again, we look for a counterexample.

Take

a=1,b=2,c=1.a=1,\quad b=\sqrt{2},\quad c=1.a=1,b=2​,c=1.

Then:

a2+b2=1+2=3∈Q,a^2+b^2 = 1+2=3 \in \mathbb{Q},a2+b2=1+2=3∈Q,

so this does not belong to R2R_2R2​. Not useful.

We want both first two sums irrational, but the third rational.

Take

a2=1,b2=2,c2=1.a^2=1, \quad b^2=\sqrt{2}, \quad c^2=1.a2=1,b2=2​,c2=1.

Then

a2+b2=1+2∉Q,a^2+b^2 = 1+\sqrt{2} \notin \mathbb{Q},a2+b2=1+2​∈/Q,

b2+c2=2+1∉Q,b^2+c^2 = \sqrt{2}+1 \notin \mathbb{Q},b2+c2=2​+1∈/Q,

but

a2+c2=1+1=2∈Q.a^2+c^2 = 1+1=2 \in \mathbb{Q}.a2+c2=1+1=2∈Q.

Thus if we choose

a=1,b=24,c=1,a=1, \quad b=\sqrt[4]{2}, \quad c=1,a=1,b=42​,c=1,

then

  • (a,b)∈R2(a,b) \in R_2(a,b)∈R2​,
  • (b,c)∈R2(b,c) \in R_2(b,c)∈R2​,
  • but (a,c)∉R2(a,c) \notin R_2(a,c)∈/R2​.

Therefore, R2R_2R2​ is not transitive.


  1. Conclusion
  • R1R_1R1​ is not transitive.
  • R2R_2R2​ is not transitive.

So the correct option is

A: Neither R1 nor R2 is transitive.\boxed{\text{A: Neither } R_1 \text{ nor } R_2 \text{ is transitive.}}A: Neither R1​ nor R2​ is transitive.​


  1. Comparison with stored answer

Stored correct answer: A

Our derived answer is also A, so they agree.

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